I've felt like I've been taking crazy pills for the last 10 years. I came from bmx dirt jumping where pedals evolved to be mostly dual concave in order to provide a secure and stable platform for plenty of grip when the sole of a shoe conformed to it under a riders weight, also making foot repositioning easy with a waffle tread pattern by momentarily unweighting, without needing to completely lift the foot off the pedal.
For some bizarre reason in the mountain bike industry many flat pedal manufacturers started making pedals that are completely flat. My guess is that the designers didnt ride, they just were told to make a "flat pedal", and took it literally. The result is pedals that feel like your feet are constantly slipping off.
Another shoe company decided to solve this newly invented problem backwards by making stiff shoes that have no pedal feel with rubber thats so sticky you have to lift your foot completely off the pedal to reposition. This is like duct taping a leaky pipe instead of replacing it with one that works.
It's crazy to me that this is the standard. Large dual concave mountain bike pedals exist, but the majority use flat flat pedals with numb sticky sole shoes without thinking about it. I wouldn't care what other people ride if it wasn't causing a near monopoly on mtn bike flat pedal shoes. I was still wearing a pair of thrashed, shoe goo'd, 5 years out of production Teva's till I found out about the Vice mid.
The only reason I'm giving 4 stars instead of 5 is I'm not a fan of suede, and I would like a lace strap. The sole however is perfect and thats what's most important. Shoes with similar soles have obviously been available for a long time, but not with the toe protection, which is a necessity to me after having some scary impacts while mtn biking with skate shoes. Flexibility is perfect too, slightly stiffer than skate shoes, but with great pedal feel, sinking into my pedals allowing secure grip and expression through corners, while being easy to reposition.
Thanks for making shoes for those of us that know how to select pedals that work properly.